When it came to people talking directly about AI. By the end of that session, it was like an eighty percent twenty percent sway towards people fearful for the future of AI. We just we went around and have had a couple of conversations with people around South by Southwest just to get their view of what do they think is a doom and gloom. Some people lose jobs if they don’t adapt, but what really helps us to understand the problem and to cut through the bullshit, as you say, take it into a negative space. And what I got from it is join the resistance. We also had a chat with some of the people at Bill club yearly and Australia’s biggest hackathon, which is in association with South by Southwest, created an agent using relevance AI where you can, uh, give it a quick product demo two to three minutes, build an investment analysis platform. The valuation of that company is literally more than every single company in Australia combined. It’s this circular economy of the money just swirling around, but everyone’s saying that’s how much the valuation is. We wanted to like, imagine the world where, you know, robots and agents are our companions and our co-creators. Hey folks, it’s Mark here from Digital Access Podcast. And I’ve got Chris just trying to turn his, uh, his mic on. But you should be hearing me. And we are Mike on, Mike on. And it’s starting to rain. There might be a bit of hail. I don’t know, it’s crazy, but you can see a little bit maybe. Can they see the Tumbalong Park? You can just see Tumbalong Park in the background. I might be in the way over there. Get out of the way. This is where the sort of the main event is going on for South by Southwest. Some singing concert work. Uh, L’Oreal has, like, a cool little, uh, pop up booth. And when I say little, it’s large and there’s a big line around it and stuff. Commbank is down there as well. Adobe TikTok a little underwhelming compared to previous years. So I know that in terms of the outside stuff, yeah, I know, so I was here back in the very first South by Southwest that Sydney twenty twenty three twenty twenty three. Yep. And I think they had a lot of investment and excitement that was going into the event. Probably a lot more chaos, I would say, but there was a lot more going on during that time here. It’s a little bit cut back. There’s only like four big stands for you to visit and interact with anything. And even then, the stuff that they’re sharing and providing, it’s not that amazing. The one thing I will say they did better this year is they partnered with someone and I can’t remember her name. They got someone from Austin, Texas who manages the, you know, the big global South by Southwest event to come down to give some advice to the people here. Good. The big advice that she gave is more free booze. So what I have noticed this year compared to the last couple years, is that there’s a lot more stalls around for having a free drink. That’s what it’s all about. Yeah, well, I thought you said more free booths. No booze. Booze, booze. Get the alcohol. Something I wish I had in my hand right now, but I do not totally fair. I mean, for me, what was interesting was that whilst they. I don’t know if it has been less tech related stuff, you’d think there’d be inundation with AI, but like, Unfortunately, some of the events and this is my only kind of gripe. They’re all at the same time guys. Like, we wanted a track where it’s like it’s AI event after AI, event after AI event. Instead it was like three or four AI events all at the same time. And it’s just like you want to go to support your mate, but then you want to go to some other talk. You just couldn’t. That’s been a problem with most of the events, like it’s even the last couple of years. Is that perfect balance between time slots of the things that you’re interested in? There has been a lot of AI though, like there’s don’t get me wrong, it has been, I would say sixty percent of the talks have some kind of AI focus, and even if they’re not about AI, they end up drifting towards AI. So in fashion, what do you think about AI? Yeah, it ends up being there. There was a film thing that was presented where it was film in AI, so it can’t be avoided. And we’ve done a lot of like interviews you will have seen just prior to this, or is it maybe it’s after that it comes out, but interviewing people that are getting the heavy rain here. But let’s see, it’s starting to hail may be coming back that way. So it’s it’s it rained really hard. It’s slowed down. Now. We might be in the eye of the storm, I don’t know, but down at, uh, downstairs, the events have kind of paused it a little bit. That’s something that AI can’t solve just yet. But there was something in terms of physical AI that Nvidia was talking about that was pretty interesting today. Them getting up. I mean, there’s a lot of the stuff I had seen. They’ve been promoting a lot of this, uh, quite of late with, um, you know, seeing them accelerate out of nowhere. I wouldn’t say nowhere, but they have accelerated from not the mass big conglomerate. I saw a post today that said they are the valuation of their company is literally more than every single company in Australia combined. It is less than one hundred million. Yeah. Now I’ve seen question marks as well around like well Nvidia is paying um ChatGPT to to well not paying but they’ve got to deal with ChatGPT uses like their servers and hardware and stuff. And so it’s this circular economy of the money just swirling around. but everyone’s saying that’s how much the valuation is. It’s a really good article on that. We’ll share it in the show notes. But regardless, I mean, even if it is overhyped and stuff, you can’t deny the value that people are finding from working and using these tools. They are, you know, you’ve got ChatGPT or OpenAI and you have anthropic and all these organizations at the forefront of AI, but none of them can get to where they are without the technology that they’ve been provided by Nvidia. They even they were saying even like the early days of ChatGPT, they were using something upwards of ten thousand GPUs. So you can’t imagine how many GPUs they’re using now in their current models globally. So it is it is literally at the foundation of every single enterprise AI business. Exactly. And I think there’s a whole lot of interesting stuff that’s going on out there in terms of like people that are bringing, whether it is like the hardware and software together or it’s like people at just at South by Southwest, there’s like we were speaking with like some AI, I’m sorry, some gaming founders and stuff, and just questions around how do they see AI? And they’re like, they, they find it interesting. But what’s going on right now is they’re trying to find a way that it basically, uh, NPCs are part of all of this. And, you know, we’ve probably had we just had an NPC walk past. Yeah. I’m joking, I’m joking. Public space, it’s fine. Public space and everyone can walk past, so it’s totally fine. But like, the interesting thing is like what happens when you actually have a whole lot of these, like, folks that are doing things in the space that are NPCs. No, that’s okay. We are filming in a public space, so it’s totally fine for people to walk through here. But, um, the thing is, like, I think that, uh, whatever industry you’re in, AI is going to play a part of it, basically. That’s all I’m trying to say. So people are trying to be very pragmatic with it. They’re not just trying to throw AI into it, even though it is there and stuff. They’re like, well, do I really need it? And even in the gaming space where it could be very easy to just like add an LLM to the NPCs playing around in the game, they’re being very pragmatic. So I like that I, I noticed the big theme around a lot of the discussions that were actually happening in when it came to people talking directly about AI. You had a small group of people who were very pro the change, and then another part of the group who are going. It’s doom and gloom. We need to watch out. It’s killing creativity. What was the joined? The resistance is a term that we heard. That was one that we heard. Um, I, I watched a debate which was, uh, the room started off very divided. It was like fifty fifty negative, fifty fifty, kind of like, yeah, it’s going to help the future. The debate occurred, albeit I think the debaters who are on the pro weren’t exactly the strongest. They were talking a lot about where how technology has evolved over the over the years, rather than to talk about the impacts that AI will have on us in a positive, in a positive way, touching on the key themes and issues. Whereas the people in the negative then got up. Journalists, people who are like having a lot of direct problems with AI and seeing worrying about their future was like jokes, really well presented. And by the end of that session, it was like an eighty percent, twenty percent sway towards people fearful for the future of AI. That’s it. I think it was also like the let’s not being mean to the presenters, but it didn’t seem like it was balanced from what I’d heard. Yeah. Well, no. So the. Yeah, I kind of agree with that. There was, uh, one of the keynotes, one of the keynotes at the start of the week. Um, yeah. The famous Mo Gadot, he was he was had an incredible speech that he gave around the start before he sat down and did like a bit of a back and forth and answered some really nice questions. I half expect him to get up and be like doom and gloom, you know, because you hear a lot of the other ex-googlers and AI, all of the other like AI people coming out saying it’s doom and gloom, AI is going to take over, AGI is going to destroy everything. He was had a much more positive mindset, albeit he had caveats like we were at the precipice now where things could go either way, it could go really bad for us if we don’t consider what we’re doing with it. You know, it’s kind of like, you know, when we discovered fusion, we could either make nuclear power plants and provide rich energy resources that can change the world. Comparing AI to the to the nuclear bombs. bomb. Exactly. I have become death, the destroyer of worlds. And so. But instead, he was like, you know, we’re at that precipice. We have the chance to make something really special and really unique and add, you know, he touched on IQ, add IQ to the things that we’re doing, right. If we’re smart people, everyone is quite smart. You know, that’s eighty percent extra IQ points that we could be taking into every situation if we use it in the right way, if we partner, if we treat it like a companion rather than something that is just to be feared or to be feared. Yeah, yeah, I think I’m treating it as an object and stuff. You would think that folks are being more positive. They just see this as a tool. But then there’s others that are like, okay, this is more than that. It’s challenging my intelligence. I wrote a piece earlier in the week that seemed to get like some good traction. I wrote another piece a few weeks ago where it had so many comments, and it was it was something else. Um, but but that piece. Okay. A few weeks ago, I wrote a piece which was on, um, like, you know, should we just like, it’s more the subject than the content rather than how it’s said, should we just ignore the fact that, oh, whether there’s an Em dash or a, you know, a Oxford comma, all these tells where, you know, it’s like AI if something is actually of value for me, I don’t care whether there’s an AI in it or not. But like for some people that they do and it just kicked off a, a storm of people that are like really like, uh, on both sides, more positive than not, which was really interesting. But, um, there were a lot of folks that were like, wow, this is like, what are you doing? This is this is no way we shouldn’t have this. Just don’t write with AI. Which then led you to do this recent post that you did talking about Co-intelligence. Exactly. And it’s interesting because I did that post on the on the Monday or the Tuesday, whenever it was on the Tuesday, maybe it was Monday, and then the next day, the first few events that I went to, um, some great podcasts, uh, stage where it was like Graham Kenyon Garner and she’s, uh, they’re both researchers in the space. And it was about co-design. These should be co-intelligence type things. And my post was about recently, you’ve got humans that do are really good at their intelligence. We’re good at things and better than machines at some things, and worse machines at others, and machines that are really good at, you know, not sleeping. They just do the things that they’re told. They don’t know why, which is why you need the humans. But human intelligence, plus machine intelligence is really the right kind of mix. And so it’s finding the right mix that’s really the key. So it was a topic about that. And that kicked off like another set of comments that was really interesting. I find it’s it’s an interesting conversation that’s having it’s like and we just we went around and have had a couple of conversations with people around, around South by Southwest just to get their view of what do they think is a doom and gloom, or is it is it going to be all happy chappies, depending on what we do with AI? So we’ll check those out right now. Hey folks, we’re just asking people on the street what their thoughts are on AI doom and gloom, is it? Do you think it’s more doom and gloom or are you more positive? I’m more positive, yeah. Um, people, some people lose jobs if they don’t adapt, but it will create more opportunities than we can ever imagine. It’s already happening. So fantastic. And what are your thoughts? I’m also for it. I think it’s it’s good for humanity. I think it’s great. A lot of value. Um, it makes a lot of us become a creator, um, ourselves. And it increases the speed of creating things. Be more creative. Um, I think it really depends on the use case and responsible use, but AI itself, I don’t find it that intelligent in a way. Like it’s, it’s it’s artificial intelligence that is dumb. So besides responsibility, it’s about like how you put it in practice. And at this level, I’m not really in that dumb phase. Like I don’t think it’s dangerous, but it will probably likely get there if we’re not careful on how we train it and what we let it, um, give it access to. I think I’m a bit neutral. Um, I think for specific use cases, I’m all for it. Like the field of medicine. Um, you have so many health cases these days that you want and only few doctors that you want. Like, if you can delegate some responsibilities to AI and you can trust it, I think that can help. Help us like get solve problems for people very quickly. But on the other side, I feel it’s, uh, in a market where businesses are coming up who want to simplify stuff for users who want to make things seamless for them. I feel users might just get more and more dependent on it and might just lose their creativity and charm and intellect. Um, and yeah, I think that’s where I’m a bit neutral. I’m a bit divided there, specific really good use cases, but there are ways where it might just like impact the human intellect. My perspective is that it’s a really important question, and I think we need both sides of the spectrum. I sit squarely in the side. That’s with today’s events, right? So just to give you a bit of context, um, I saw an existential extinction of the human race talk recently, and I was on the same panel as the person who gave that talk. And what I got from it is joined the resistance. Um, I’m not sure if that’s how extreme I would go, but it is like a concerning topic and I think it needs more discussion. I also feel that the intelligence is being overhyped. Very much so right now. So I’m worried about like the effects of that hype on public perception, specifically of the tech industry. Um, but when I talk about things like ChatGPT is the seventh best hacker in the world, um, is it the seventh best hacker or is it the seventh best guesser? So for me, it’s positive in the sense that if we’re constantly thinking about this stuff from a negative mindset, we’re going to kind of take it into a negative space. So it could end up negative, but I just have to feel positive about where the technology is taking us, I guess from working in it for a bit and seeing the entire picture. Um, my opinions on it is it’s very interesting. I’m sort of like in the middle where we’re at a crossroads where if we can steward it really well and do it wisely, we can get to a really good space in terms of getting the perception out there to the public about what exactly you’re solving. I think being really direct with your product market fit is really important Atkinson like we always have a lot of done like user research and also personal lived experiences of our founders and the founding team. But what really helps us to understand the problem and to cut through the bullshit, as you say, it’s it’s more about the end outcome instead of the AI you’re using to deliver it. So oftentimes you see businesses that glorify the AI instead of the value that you provide as a business. And that’s what we’re focused on, right. Like how do we provide the best value possible to our customers? There you go folks. Some amazing talks and interviews actually. You know, seeing what some cool people in this space are doing and all here at South by Southwest. What do you think, Chris? Well, I really like it. It aligns with my view and it aligns with, I guess, what I was talking about, which is we’re so early, we don’t know what is going to happen. Right? AI is still like a child. We still have to ask it questions like, explain it to me like I’m an old person, or explain to me like I’m a two year old. It needs guidance. So right now anything can happen if we do the right thing. And so it seems to be a lot of the consensus is, I’m not sure we could make the right choices and take us in the right direction, or we could end up creating another nuclear bomb like that’s I’m kind of on that fence, too. The choice is yours. The choice is yours. But I think that you’re absolutely right. Like these things are still early. There’s a whole lot of stuff that we could still be doing and stuff. But there’s what I got from all of this that more people are positive about all this space than not. And there’s a lot of creativity. There’s a lot of like, um, pragmatic people thinking about these problems, and they’re incredible specialists who are doing amazing things. They recognize it’s a problem and so they want to solve for it. They’re not just like out there just building without any kind of like restraint. They’re actually trying to be very pragmatic. And I like that. And I think that’s the way forward. And it’s about like actually getting usefulness out of like what it is that you’re building AI or not building for purpose, building for purpose, which is a great sideline because we also had a chat with some of the people at Build Club, which is doing some really fun, uh, little event right now. They have a bunch of people doing a hackathon, and that hackathon is giving people the option to create some unique things utilizing AI, of course, or building for AI. Check out some of those items. Now I am with a Build Club representative in Saanvi. How’s it going? Hi. Hi everyone! My name is Saanvi and I’m currently one of the founding members of Build Club. I think it’s amazing what you guys have pieced together, not just the hackathon that we’ve got behind us, but all the other things. And we’ve been involved in a few things like the education, work with, you know, the content there and also looking at new things like new product launches that’ll be coming out your way. Although, you know, by the time this comes out, the product will have been launched. So you’ve got to go check it out. Um, it’s the bounty platform. So there’s some amazing stuff going on there. But can you tell us about today what is going on here? So basically today everyone is hacking around. So we are running our yearly and Australia’s biggest hackathon, which is in association with South by Southwest and the National AI center, as well as Bill club. And we’re basically hacking on the theme of supercharging your work with AI, and everyone is basically hacking around for that. I think it’s amazing. When did they start? They started today at nine a m and what time are they finishing up today at five thirty? So we only have a few hours left. So we’ve been interviewing people. So mind you, when you see some of the other parts like people were like in two minds, like they’ve got to finish off their build, but or some as you saw, they were like getting trying to get the AI to work faster because it wasn’t working fast enough. But have you seen some interesting ideas here so far? Yes, like some really, really cool stuff people are going from, like language products, like language translation products to robotics to, you know, how how an AI agent can make your marketing faster, streamline product management. So everything we have five key challenge themes and they’re trying to work under those. But yeah it’s amazing. And what are you looking forward to the most like. So when these present the top five are there. And then there’s like a further kind of judging tomorrow. What happens beyond that. So what. So honestly it’s up to them. So actually one of the top three prizes for the top three teams is that they will get specialised mentoring from antler, which we all know is one of the biggest VC firms all over the world, and the top team will actually get a direct interview with the partner with antler. So if they want to actually make their product into like a proper business, then they can do that. And other than that, we also have various other prizes like we are like we’re working with relevance, AI, lovable and everyone to give prizes to the top teams as well. So yeah, looking forward to seeing what comes out there and stuff. And in terms of like Build Club, uh, more on the events because and even just like not not events per se, but just the gatherings. How do people find out more about Build Club? Because you guys have just been growing and growing, yet there’s still so many people that are untapped. So how do they find out about events or gatherings with Build Club? Yep. So we have our Luma calendar which is for accessible to everyone, and we already have like thirteen thousand subscribers on that. So if you want we will link that below wherever. Um, so you can click on the Luma calendar. So if you’re based anywhere in the world, we are in more than fifty cities. So you can be in America, Asia, Australia, US, Africa, Europe. You will be able to attend our events. And yeah, that’s how you can find out about us and get involved with our journey. And even for the businesses, like if you want to get involved and get people seeing your stuff, please reach out to Bill club, because it’s with support like that that we’re able to see all of these events, meetups and gatherings where builders just like this get to come together and create amazing stuff. But Sandy, thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much. And we also have our enterprise platform, which also we work with companies to upskill their employees in in AI as well. So we work on both sides. So we’re free for the community and we give it to people who want to really learn AI, like people who are young, people who probably are not yet working anywhere, but also for companies who want to upskill their current employees as well. Got another amazing person that is helping out with the Build Club stuff as a mentor. Uh, who are you? What do you do? What are you finding cool about here? Thank you. Yeah. Hi guys. I’m Ishita. I’m an engineer at AI and I’m just here helping as a mentor. These amazing teams who are working on some really cool ideas. Yeah. How are you finding it so far in terms of what folks are building? It’s bloody awesome. So I just talked to a group that’s building AI on a walkie talkie. And I mean, that’s just like a, like one encapsulation of the kind of ideas I’m seeing here today. There’s stuff in health tech, there’s stuff in robotics. It’s insanely talented, and I’m excited for the judging. I think it’s amazing to see all the different groups that are supporting this space. And, um, can you tell us a bit more about what you guys are doing at Kenzo? Yeah, awesome. Of course. So Kenzo is a startup. Um, we’re building across the communication space. So we’ve realized that there’s an insane problem that many of the founders and high, high network operators face where they have such inbox chaos that it’s impossible to get what they need done in a day. So we’re solving that problem by bringing all of their inboxes and messages into one place, and then putting an AI on top that surfaces what’s important to them every single day. I was just talking to someone before at discovery stage about this problem of like missing messages and whatnot, and this is the exact kind of app that they’re looking for. So how do people find out more about Kinzo and even try it out? Can they do that right now? Of course. Yeah. So you can search up Kinzo. It’s spelled like this, um, on the Linkedins, the Instagrams, and, um, we’ve got some really great marketing going on, and we’re actually a month away from beta launch. So if you want to get on beta, I mean, you got to get on the link. Um, otherwise, we’re hoping to get the public facing launch out soon as well. But we’re really just focused on honing down on the idea and having this group of closed beta testers. Yeah, I can’t wait to see it and try it out. And definitely we’ll put the links in the show notes here about Kinzo. But thanks so much for helping out and mentoring and, uh, looking forward to seeing you again. Yeah, thank you so much I love it. So I’m interviewing folks here at the Build Club hackathon over here at South by Southwest. How’s it going? What’s your name? Will Mulholland. Will Mulholland and SJ. SJ and Amaya. Amaya. So, um, amazing stuff that, you know, you guys are all here. This looks like a cool place. I thought it was just going to be a place where people were just, like, working. But everyone’s here for, you know, building some cool stuff. Can you tell us what you guys are doing? Yeah, sure. So we noticed there’s a huge problem, um, with founders or anyone who’s creating these vibe coded apps that they don’t really think about how they’re actually going to bring it to market, and they don’t really think about how they’re going to sell it or actually get users. So we’re trying to make that super easy, simple and quick for people to do. Uh, we’ve created an agent using relevance AI where you can, uh, give it a quick product demo two to three minutes, just explaining your product off the back of that, we’ll ask you seven clarifying questions to dive deeper into your market and how it’s going to work. And then it’ll create a positioning messaging and go to market strategy that will give you a content calendar for the next twenty eight days, so you have something to understand where you’re going to post and also what content you’re going to put out there to be able to start spending more time selling instead of just building that. I like it. It’s already like working with AI, but are you guys using agents that actually help you do the building of it? Um, yes. So we’re doing a lot of the chat experience to find out what to build with what tools. Um, we have a lot of underlying knowledge, but bringing it all together and building an agentic workforce is a challenge. But we have a marketer here, product manager, and a developer here. And it’s been, I don’t know, six hours being together. And we’ve just learned so much from just bouncing ideas. So we’re learning as we go and building as we go and iterating as we go. And we have experts around the room just helping us debug as we go. So best place to be. Fantastic. And to the developer in the room, um, are you finding anything like new as you’re doing all of this kind of stuff, has it been like, what’s been the most interesting thing about working as a group? There are quite a few things that are new, but yeah, so we as a team, we are building it good. Fantastic. Well, I look forward to I think it’s tomorrow that you guys get to present or is it later today. So we’ll be submitting today. Top five will be picked and hopefully you’ll see us as one of those five presenting tomorrow. As someone who builds a lot of stuff that actually goes out to market and gets subscribers with vibe coded apps and on that quasi kind of product data analyst manager, I need tools like this. So I’m looking forward to what you guys create. I’m with some awesome builders. This is Darren and Nuru. How’s it going? Yeah. Pretty good. It’s an eye opening experience for me. Fantastic. Yeah, we are excited exploring new tools that provided by our sponsor in this program. Amazing. And what are for the hackathon? What are you guys? What’s the problem you’re trying to solve. What are you building? Yeah. So we pick up the investment. Investment track. But what we’re trying to do is we want to build an investment analysis platform. Not for like, a big companies, but it’s for more inclusive, more financial inclusivity. So we target small businesses. So this is going to be a platform that provides opportunity for investors to discount the potential small businesses, which for them is really hard to get funding. But we’re trying to build a platform where we will leverage our, um, to like, analyze their online reputation and use that to be their reputation credit. And this is also hopefully this is going to open more opportunity for them. So um, they so the investor can scout the potential business and offer them a loan On opportunities or funding opportunities or even the franchising opportunities. Fantastic. I think that sounds like a great app. And what’s your role in what are you doing as part of the build? I’m trying to use prior crawl to scrape data from TripAdvisor, which include restaurants in this area, to combine with her process of analysis. And how’s it going so far? Like, do you guys think you’re going to be able to finish on time today? Uh, so be honest. This is my first hackathon and someone who just doing select star from table three years ago. Um, and I just finished my first Python loop two years ago. This is quite a very big leap for me. But at the same time, we know that this is an opportunity because, um, now there is no coding barrier anymore. So, yeah. And I’m a researcher, so I’m studying research at uni. So this is like an opportunity where it can turn my academic research paper into a real world solution. So that’s my goal for today. Okay. Fantastic. And have you got a name for for this application. Yes. One minute is five to value. So we use a consumer voice and turn it to business value. So that’s voice to value. You heard it here folks. Voice the value. And you may see it at a store near you. Who knows. Thanks very much for your time. Here with another great group. I think they’re called Dot local, but the name might change. But we’ll see how it goes. Uh, if you could introduce yourselves and what you’re doing as part of the hackathon. Hi, I’m Carol. I’m like an MLE. Hi. I’m Kwabena. I’m an AI research engineer. And for the hackathon, we are building a website localization application that essentially helps with localization of websites to other regions. Hey, I’m Kevin, I’m a data science engineer, uh, currently helping out with the implementation on the back end. Doing testing, getting sample files and websites that we can use as as examples for the demos. Hey, I’m Michael, I’m here as a latecomer and I work for Propeller Aero as a software engineer. And my job here today is to make the app look pretty and just look pretty myself. What would you say has been the biggest challenge? And this is for anyone here of, you know, what you’re building so far? We mentioned just before the show that we’re trying to whip it to get it to go faster. Is it that or is it some other challenge? I think for us, since we’re trying to localize websites, there’s a lot of nuance involved. So thinking about all the different aspects like, um, I don’t know if you know, but recently Apple had this ad that could not be aired in South Korea. The pinching motion. Right. So dealing with nuances that might extend beyond like the context that whatever the LM knows, uh, definitely a pain point that we experienced early on was just finalizing how we wanted to proceed. But once we did do that, we were able to kick things off and we’re making good progress, so hopefully we can wrap things up before the time runs out. Fantastic. And if folks you want to see more of our Dot local, then definitely check out, uh, we’ll get the links from all the guys like here and share that in the video. I am with a very special guest from the National AI center, Rita, Rita, Arrigo, how’s it going? It’s going really well. It’s so exciting to be here at South by Southwest. You know, I’ve been working with robots, agents, lunar rovers. Um, and now we’re hacking some of the most amazing solutions that you’re going to see on a Saturday on the discovery stage. So, yeah, it’s been super exciting. I think it’s been awesome because we were literally at the Discovery stage watching you on stage with not just like human presenters, but two robots, like a humanoid robot and a dog. What was going on there? And a rolling one. Well, we wanted to like, imagine the world where robots and agents are our companions and our co-creators, and we can work with them. And it was like really telling that story. It was really interesting because there was someone in the audience who asked a question about, you know, the humanoid robot and what’s going on. Why aren’t there more of them? And, you know, really uncovered the fact that, you know, we’re still a bit scared of humanoid robots. Um, but, you know, there was there was it was a bit of a journey. There was a lot to learn. There was a lot to unpack. And I thought it was really interesting bringing all that together. The humanoid, the dog. The funniest thing. The dog flew off the stage but recovered, picked itself up, walked round, came up the stairs. It was fantastic. So just a few little bruises. But it was running okay. It was. It was fine. Like it’s very robust. It’s quite robust. But it made me imagine, you know, all those stories that people talk about, you know, when you work in Hollywood, like don’t ever work with dogs and children. I’m like, I’m just working with three robots and agents. And like, I think it’s interesting, you know, being at the National AI center and people being like a little bit worried about this future, but it’s kind of like if you took someone in from the past into now, everything that’s here that we take for granted, like the internet, like phones and all this type of communication devices people would be scared of. So kind of think that what we’re scared of right now, in ten years, twenty years, maybe even just two years, things will change. How does the National AI center kind of think about the future? Well, we do have to think about it at the moment. You know, we have to like kind of because it’s so big. We have to like choose things. So we’re like like, how do we increase adoption in specific businesses? How do we like make it easier for people to understand who Australian AI companies that they might want to work with? We use themes, lots of thematic stuff, you know, like AI for safety, AI for climate tech, AI for health, so that we can really make it easier for people to unpack the broadness of it all. So, yeah, so it’s a bit of work serving that National AI center. No, no mean feat. And you guys are doing so well. Definitely check out the, um, the there’s a tracker that you have on the National AI center, which shows all the different companies that are working in this space and more and more wanting to list themselves, which is a great way to find talent. And I’m a big fan of just go out and use it and play with it and we’ve got this great event calendar. So if you’re looking for an AI event, go check out the National AI Center event calendar. It’s national. There’s always an AI event all over Australia, so get involved. And what are you vibe? Coding and building something here or with Lovable or Bolt or I’m a big fan of lovable. So like I met the lovable guy. He just thought I had a crush on him. It was really crazy. But I just, you know, I’ve been in web development for so long, and when you can code something on a Saturday night in ten minutes, something that you were dreaming about coding and, you know, you’d have to like design and, you know, figure out the HTML and then where to host it and blah, blah, blah. Lovable just did it for me. So I think the future is so exciting with coding. It’s just like there’s so many different options and you can really shrink the time it takes to be able to do things. I think it’s amazing. Innovation time is going to get shrunk, and the National AI center and what you guys are doing is amazing. And we’re going to shout out to people to go check it out, go check it out. Go check it out. Absolutely. Ciao. So that was really interesting there. And just to wrap up all these like the the learnings that I had from that, it’s a more and more people that say weren’t in the space of getting involved and the space is maturing. So this point last year, vibe coding tools were only just getting started. Bolt, my favorite tool, wasn’t even out there. Lovable I think was out a little bit. Getting a lot of stuff, just getting a lot of love, getting a lot of love. Um, although not from our episode that we had, I had not a lot of love for love. I don’t know if that one’s been out yet. It might be out or whatever, but, um, you know, certain stuff didn’t work, but you just got to try it again. But it’s interesting to see, you know, whether it was Rita. I’m from the National AI center who we got to catch. We saw her up on stage and then, you know, got to chat with her and the amazing stuff that they’re doing, all the different, like builders that were out there or like the folks that had even helped build club get started. Vincent Instant quote from, uh. He’s doing a whole lot of stuff with. I’m trying to remember the name comet. Um, we had him on at the the old kind of podcast we were doing at Luna Liu. So that was at the cool talking about blockchain and blockchain and AI. It was all AI stuff there. And you know, we had in the background a whole heap of stuff that, uh, where you could see the opera house and whatnot. So, so really cool stuff that was going on there. But, um, and some of the other interesting things that people were building were whether it’s finance apps or they were trying to do stuff where it’s actually helping the vibe coding tools. So some of the things that you miss out on when you build these vibe coding tools, they’re trying to build with that. What did you find interesting? I really look, I enjoyed a lot of the keynote speakers. I loved the I loved the mix between the positive and the negative stories of AI. The things I was most inspired about were the amount of founders here who are actually trying to build new and inventive stuff. If you go up to the innovation hub that was up there, some really interesting people building some freaking cool things from robotics through to, you know, just just SaaS products that help make people’s lives easier, whether it’s running business, building education platforms, etc.. So I was really, really surprised to see the volume of people who are building stuff that products that are practically out there for us to utilize. And how funny was it that we went around to do a couple of these, you know, vox pops? Just asking the AI doom and gloom kind of questions as well. I’m not sure where it is in this which you just watched, which you just watched, but like, you know, what was fascinating was when we spoke to them after. Yeah, we had the AI doom and gloom kind of question. They just were random people. But it turns out, oh, one’s doing AI stuff at this firm. The other ones like building with AI inside of their tool and they’re presenting tomorrow. So there was really like there’s AI everywhere, even if it’s not on the tin. Exactly. So it is becoming more and more a foundation of the work that we do, even if we’re not. Like I said, we might not be building a business about AI or like for AI, but it is a it is a byproduct for how we manage, how we build, how we optimize the processes in a positive mind in a positive way. and this will go out. In terms of this episode, the Build Club will have already launched their product, which for us in real time here, you know, past Mark and Chris, um, is next week. But the cool thing was, was that, uh, you know, they got to bring all these people together. They’re now in fifty countries. They’re doing stuff across the Australian states, in the US as well, running events in San Fran and all that. So really great to, um, a get involved. And, you know, we’ve done a few things and we’re in the background, you’ll see some stuff going on there. But like, I think it’s really great to connect with the folks in real life. There’s a lot of online conversations and stuff, but it’s not until you come in real life that you see these people and people that were flying in that were initially helping, um, build club, you know, get to where it is. And just like, great to see everyone still connected. Exactly right. Hopefully we’ll get to actually speak with our next week and that’ll be an episode to come. It’d be quite exciting to have that conversation around how they’ve grown. Looking forward to it folks. Thank you everyone. This is Mark and Chris at South by Southwest Sydney twenty twenty five. Catch you in the next one. See you next year.